Get it into your head.

They're not trying to make a profit. What they'd like to do is be able to manufacture stuff to a degree of efficacy that abrogates their total reliance on Jita for some of their needs.

That's it. The two are unrelated.

Yeah, all those guys doing incursions are doing it because it's fun.

Not only can these handful of systems not support tens of thousand players but if we even try they will be **** caged by every hostile power going.

Plus it does not fix the problem of the vast bulk of null sec being useless.

Not everyone, just posters from high sec.

More serioulsy, some people can put aside their own self interest, i can. I make a MINT doing SOe missions, incursioning with ISN and tvp and throwing away caracals in FW (which I started doing after I saw this last year). But being able to profit from something doesn't make that something the right way to go.

This is the right wayfor combat pve to go (in descending order):

-Wormholes
-Sov null
-npc null
-low sec
-FW low sec
-high sec (most automated security so the trade off should be least income)

And this is what actually happens for individual income via combat pve:

-Wormholes
-FW
-High sec (incursions and "pirate" missions)
-NPC null
-SOV null
-regular high sec (damn near tied with sov null, TEST it)
-Low sec (still dead last)

The only place that works right is wormholes (mega risk, mega isk). Can you people not see this?

Nope I hope the nodes stay active and the battle finishes either way. All the big nodes in highsec should be on reserve for nullsec battles. Enjoy mission running in 10% TiDi.

Bolded the only important part. Was the before or after the introduction of wormholes (which made the demand for SOE probing implants and gear go way up)? Or before CCPs exploration mechanic changes that made probing easier , or before CCP made probing a part of the tutorial (along with a free probing ship).

And since you say years ago, that means that you haven't missioned for SOE since CCP added 3 new ships (which again increase the value of SOE probing gear and implants because now people are spending LP on ships) right?

But who needs SOE when there are Thukkers in the form of Trust Partners in high sec?

Bolded the only important part. Was the before or after the introduction of wormholes (which made the demand for SOE probing implants and gear go way up)? Or before CCPs exploration mechanic changes that made probing easier , or before CCP made probing a part of the tutorial (along with a free probing ship). And since you say years ago, that means that you haven't missioned for SOE since CCP added 3 new ships (which again increase the value of SOE probing gear and implants because now people are spending LP on ships) right? But who needs SOE when there are Thukkers in the form of Trust Partners in high sec?

Stop blitzing. If CCP wish to keep LP levels high then remove ship bounties from high sec missions or stop blitzing and add on LP rewards on NPC kills in null sec space (without needing the ESS)

So you're telling me I'm bad at EVE? What does that have to do with understanding what makes a good experiment?

The market will adjusted to it so in the end it wont do a thing.

Hardly, with a 20mil SP Golem pilot I can basically park on the button in a blockade and full trigger, with furies I cut the DPS down JUST fast enough to maintain tank. This allows full clears within bounty ticks, full clears on Damsel and Gone Berserk are sub 15 minutes.

Doesn't take much tank to make a marauder preform, mine is a little blinged but only the hardeners (30mil a pop) and BCSs are actually faction.....no deadspace at all. The module fit is in the 300mil range.

Did you miss the full clear thing?

For Damsel, I basically land, nuke Krull, blast the battleships then take the Garden to 20% so that it dual spawns and continue from there.

Blitzing would be coming in, nuking the garden from 100km away ...no more no less... and then MJDing down to the cargo and boning out.

Same with the blockade, I don't bother with kill order unless I actually am full blitzing, I generally park it and blast battleships, with furies I have enough DPS to take the heavy hitters off the field so it basically goes BS > elite cruiser swap to faction ammo elite frigs > cruisers > whatever the drones haven't killed yes

To blitz hit the highest value......and make sure you are a LONG way off.




The Golem is NOT built to tank, we are talking T2 booster and amp and a whopping 5 minutes of cap to run it all, flushed with BCSs and all application rigs.

No, Killing Krull already spawns more battleships. in a blitz you don't even bother with Krull you nuke the garden get the loot and leave.

Jenn, people aren't playing a game to do "their fair share" or "pull their own weight". This ISN'T a job! I don't play this game to work for anyone. I play this game to have fun. Stop accusing people of not pulling their weight as if this is some sort of task. Or rather, if you insist in thinking of them as free loaders or whatever, go right ahead. But realize it is no where to be found in the EULA that one must "pull their own weight" to play and this is something you've constructed on your own.

We've had this discussion before. If people rather build than destruct you are no one to tell them they're not pulling their weight or doing it wrong. So please stop this nonsense. THIS IS NOT A JOB!

This thing you have for hi sec and carebears, this disdain and feeling of superiority, is getting ridiculous.

I didn't follow the numbers closely enough, but could imagine that not destruction is the primary driver of the economy, but the human tendency to hoard. you not only buy when you lost something but to have it.